29 comments on “Kevin Maguire backs Tim Roache for GMB general secretary

  1. nattyfoc on said:

    2 right tossers Roache and McCarthy still i doubt if either will sink as low as the Groveller Kenny ………………………….my bet is the Certification officer gets into this little charade !

  2. nattyfoc on said:

    nattyfoc:
    2 right tossers Roache and McCarthy still i doubt if either will sink as low as the Groveller Kenny ………………………….my bet isthe Certification officer gets into this little charade !

    Evidently now confirmed Certification Officer investigating this election allegedly !!
    Wonder what this is all about excluding candidates ??

    nattyfoc:
    2 right tossers Roache and McCarthy still i doubt if either will sink as low as the Groveller Kenny ………………………….my bet isthe Certification officer gets into this little charade !

  3. #3 Because state interference in the internal affairs of trade unions is clearly something for socialists to gloat about, particularly when we’re facing one of the most serious attacks that the movement has been subjected to in the last 100 years.

  4. Andy Newman on said:

    nattyfoc: Wonder what this is all about excluding candidates ??

    Two candidates voluntarily withdrew.

    For information, the election bylaws stipulate that the CEC delegates to the F&GP committee the function of satisfying itself that nominees can fulfil the “range of duties in the General Secretary and Treasurer job description”, and that would hypothetically cover the situation where a candidate might receive the requisite number of branch nominations, but not convince the F&GP committee that they have the necessary experience or attributes to fulfill the role.

    It would therefore be – hypothetically – possible for a candidate to be excluded, and still not trouble the certification officer.

    There are some difficulties with the election, due to a fire in the distribution chain of the Electoral Reform Society, which has delayed some ballot papers, and led to an extention of the voting period. There is – to the best of my knowledge – no reason to suggest at this stage that such a delay would favour either candidate.

  5. nattyfoc on said:

    Andy Newman: Two candidates voluntarily withdrew.

    For information, the election bylaws stipulate that the CEC delegates to the F&GP committee the function of satisfying itself that nominees can fulfil the “range of duties in the General Secretary and Treasurer job description”, and that would hypothetically cover the situation where a candidate might receive the requisite number of branch nominations, but not convince the F&GP committee that they have the necessary experience or attributes to fulfill the role.

    It would therefore be – hypothetically – possible for a candidate to be excluded, and still not trouble the certification officer.

    There are some difficulties with the election, due to a fire in the distribution chain of the Electoral Reform Society, which has delayed some ballot papers, and led to an extention of the voting period. There is – to the best of my knowledge – no reason to suggest at this stage that such a delay would favour either candidate.

    Andy your behind the times and addressing a different aspect of this i believe allegedly the Certification officer has accepted a complaint and Vanya you have very little knowledge of GMB shenanigans to me its looks very worthy of investigation !

    Excluding candidates must always be for genuine reasons, i dont believe that has occurred here just my opinion, re writing the election bye laws for every election is nonsense and clearly subject to ABUSE !

  6. #5 I don’t claim to be an expert on the internal affairs of the GMB, and I’m sure that there are, and have been, some problems (it would be surprising if there weren’t).

    What I am absolutely clear about is that you obviously get a great deal of satisfaction from difficulties, potential or otherwise, within the Union.

    I’m more concerned at the moment that our trade union movement is under the most serious attack that we’ve been subjected to in decades.

    People who gloat about stuff in the Daily Mail attacking unions, as you have previously show that their judgement, if nothing else, is open to suspicion.

    I’ll say no more and leave it to those who know more on the subject, should they feel willing/ bothered to comment

  7. nattyfoc on said:

    vanya many years ago i got me collar felt on a demo against some nonsense called ” in place of strife” State interference in Unions should of course be a last resort but sadly occassionally necessary take a look at one a Richard Briginshaw convicted crook then the vote rigging in the scabby EETPU and note the GMB was labelled in a recent Employment Tribunal by a previous General Secretary as “institutionally corrupt” a view after 13 years membership i wholly agree with!

    This election in my opinion will be struck from the record and re run, preventing any members other than unelected Regional Secretary’s being candidates is not something i would support and the bye laws drawn up for this SCAM were clearly designed to do just that.

  8. nattyfoc,

    Clearly my friend you would rather live in a self righteous fantasy land, than engage in the real actually existing trade union movement which fights to improve the lot of working people.

    From what you are writing here, it seems you are a supporter of the hapless Keith Henderson, who would litterally be almost the worst conceivable candidate for GS of a major union, and whose views of the GMB suggest nothing more significant than an inablity to work in a disciplined way within a mass workers organisation; and suggested as the solution to the challenges of decling trade union consciousness, and weak workplace organisation a perpetual round of endless elections involving the full membership.

  9. nattyfoc on said:

    The entire membership in continous round of elections

    No Andy i just believe regional secretarys should be elected by the regional membership! workplace reps by membership in that workplace and that they should be subject to re -election procedures on a regular defined basis

    ie wokplace reps annually
    regional secs every 4 years
    Gen sec every 4 years

    To have region such as Southern with say 75000 members and have the Regional sec elected by 15 members in secret behind closed doors to me as a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST is unacceptable, the current process denys 75000 members a VOTE in their most important official, and NOT to require that officail to face the membership ever IS unacceptable!

    currently in southern you have a good reg sec and i have no doubt he would be re-elected were he to face the membership,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but of course members in other regions are not so lucky!

  10. NATTYFOC on said:

    brianthedog:
    #10 nattyfoc, are you Jerry Hicks in disguise?

    Who the fekk is Jerry Hicks ????????????

    as pointed about before my I am Terence Flanagan from NATSOPA SOGAT SOGAT82 GPMU and the institutionally CORRUPT GMB and with 35 years plus in the Labour Party .

    so Brian the dog who are you ?????????????????? are YOU hiding behind yer moniker !!!!!!!!!!!!

    And what relevance has this geezer Hicks to the DESPICABLE ELECTORAL PROCESSES IN THE GMB ?

    Coming soon the Certification Officer

  11. NATTYFOC: Coming soon the Certification Officer

    Let us be clear. Tim Roache has been elected with a clear mandate, his margin of victory puts the result beyond challenge, and Tim was the candidate supported by progressive activists in the union.

    Anyone seeking to bring in the Certification Officer at this stage to disrupt the union and distract us from prosecuting the interests of the members is to be frank a scab

  12. NATTYFOC on said:

    Andy Newman: Let us be clear. Tim Roache has been elected with a clear mandate, his margin of victory puts the result beyond challenge, and Tim was the candidate supported by progressive activists in the union.

    Anyone seeking to bring in the Certification Officer at this stage to disrupt the union and distract us from prosecuting the interests of the members is to be frank a scab

    A scab eh for 0bjecting to an election where legitimate candidates were denied access to the Ballot paper as candidates for the second election for GS in a row really my moneys on there being another election !!

    Had he beaten all legitimate candidates that would have been different but of course he knew that the candidates list was rigged so to me that makes Tim Roache the SCAB !

    Wonder if he’s a groveller to the Royal parasites like the lickspittle Paul Kenny ?

  13. Tim Roache has won the election to be General Secretary of the 3rd largest trade union in the country with a decent mandate. The majority of the GMB have accepted this and are uniting around their new leader.

    NattyFOC – you would be better spending your energy uniting and fighting the Tories rather than your continuous attacks and undermining of the union. Your claims that Tim did not defeat all the ‘legitimate candidates’ and that the ‘ballot was rigged’ are errant nonsense and entirely unsubstantiated as are your threats to bring in the Certification Officer. On this Andy is spot on.

    Why not show some humility and dignity and get behind Tim as the democratically elected General Secretary of GMB. We have bigger battles to fight than the one that exists in your imagination.

  14. Napoleonchik on said:

    NATTYFOC,

    About 4 per cent, I make it. And allegations of “scab” from rightward-moving acolytes of the bureaucracy should be treated with caution. Wasn’t it this site which steadfastly supported the attempt to destroy UCATT through the Certification Officer and other state agencies? Of course, when the attempt failed, the fifth columnist who led it was rewarded with a sinecure in the GMB. Tell us what’s happening in Scotland, Andy, where the GMB Regional Secretary has been shunted aside to make way for Gary Smith and his aggressive pro-Trident pitch in a blatant attempt to poach UNITE members in Coulport and Rosyth.

  15. #17 I didn’t read most of that stuff as I found it largely consisted of abuse, much of it incompehensible.

    However I will say that my recollection of what I did read is that the certification officer already was involved, there was no suggestion that this was in itself a good thing, and that the threads were largely arguments between supporters of various factions within UCATT.

    What you say about Coulport and Rosyth I’ll look into.

  16. Napoleonchik: Wasn’t it this site which steadfastly supported the attempt to destroy UCATT through the Certification Officer and other state agencies?

    Nonsense, would it not be more accurate to say that this site reported the myriad difficulties of UCATT, and that we have subsequently been proven right by events? We reported that a UCATT officer was standing against the incumbent GS in an attempt to change the direction of the union, and thus to save it. The referrals to the Certification Officer by that officer were because UCATT failed to follow its own rule book in the conduct of that election.

    Napoleonchik: when the attempt failed

    I have no idea what you are talking about. The certification officer twice rules that UCATT had conducted flawed elections, in the first instance the election had to be rerun, in the second instance the certicfication officer did not call for the election to be rerun, but still ruled that the election was out of compliance with the rules.

    The actual underlying problems with UCATT were nothing to do with it being taken to the certification officer but that the union was struggling in the real world. Sadly those problems have not gone away.

    Napoleonchik: the fifth columnist who led it was rewarded with a sinecure in the GMB

    Firstly, nothing I wrote about UCATT was in any way connected with GMB, secondly a “fifth columnist” is a synonym for a fascist, and I think you should withdraw it. I am not going to dignify your insinuations with further attention.

    Napoleonchik: Tell us what’s happening in Scotland, Andy, where the GMB Regional Secretary has been shunted aside to make way for Gary Smith and his aggressive pro-Trident pitch in a blatant attempt to poach UNITE members in Coulport and Rosyth.

    I am not going to comment in a public forum on the internal processes in GMB. Harry Donaldson is now working for GMB on ASDA, and the appointment of a regional secretary will be in the hands of the Scottish Regional Committee, under rule.

    The acting regional secretary, Gary Smith, will advocate GMB’s democratically decided policy, which is currently in support of Trident renewal. My understanding is that UNITE’s policy is broadly similar, so it is up to Unite’s officials to make that position clear to their members. It is up to the workers in the dockyards to choose which union they wish to belong to.

    Of course both unions may well have further debate about Trident, and their policies can be changed by the democratic will of the members. Personally, my view is that the unions should campaign for the jobs, and if Trident is to be cancelled then it needs very concrete commitments towards maintaining equivalent skilled jobs in the areas affected. However, I am sure that both unions would accept that the sectional interests of the workers do not have a veto on defence policy.

  17. Volodya on said:

    Keith Henderson? He couldn’t lead a conga, let alone a major trade union.

    NattyFOC – You have called Tim Roache a scab within hours of his election. Spectacular even by your standards. Do you stand by this comment or will you do the decent thing and withdraw it?

  18. NATTYFOC on said:

    Once again we see the despicable manoeuvring within the GMB one regional sec shunted Harry DONALDSON aside one installed GARY SMITH [ and i’ll give you about Gary this he able and intelligent but unfortunately hes a gutless coward which many will without hesitation tell you from within the GMB ] but of course IMPOSED upon the SCOTTISH membership once again members denies a VOTE in my book anyone who supports that type of activity is a FASCIST SCAB and if the cap fits wear it !!

    ONE MEMBER ONE VOTE FOR REGIONAL SECS GENRAL SECS AND WORKPLACE REPS whats wrong with that ???????????????????????????????????

    Come Andy you keep avoiding the question!!

    would YOU BE HAPPY FOR YOUR LOCAL COUNCIL TO HAVE THE SAME ELECTORAL PROCEDURES/
    or get your MP the same way ?

    the GMB electoral procedure in indefensible and if any other Union runs similar scams so are they !!
    ?

  19. Admin, can I suggest this idiot has been given enough rope?

    If he wants to vent his anti-union spleen he can do it in a more appropriate forum Perhaps on the Daily Mail website?

  20. Vanya: Admin, can I suggest this idiot has been given enough rope?

    If he wants to vent his anti-union spleen he can do it in a more appropriate forum Perhaps on the Daily Mail website?

    Agreed. This poster has a history of lying about his past to try to ensure that people cannot find out who he is. Anonymity is fine online – using it to attack people, with no ability for people to know who you are and so no ability to test your credibility, is not on.

    His future posts will be checked before being allowed through. If he can learn to debate without labelling every opponent a fascist or a scab, he will be welcome here.

  21. Volodya: Keith Henderson? He couldn’t lead a conga, let alone a major trade union.

    Nevertheless, it is the hapless Comrade Henderson whom NATTYFOC is promoting, and is claiming that Henderson was a “legitimate candidate” who was kept of the ballot paper by shenanigens.

    I assume the shenannigens would include the fact that no GMB branch in their right minds would nominate for GS a poundland Jerry Hicks. Which is why I would like to know from NATTYFOC how many branches actually nominated Henderson. (Jerry himself has at least a background of successful workplace organising in the Rolls Royce test shop, and is a talented and articulate individual – whereas Henderson is a muppet who thought it a good idea to try to picket Labour MPs to stop them going into parliament!)